"Now the department store in front of which they were standing had a beautiful Christmas display in the window which depicted the familiar scene of the baby Jesus and his mother in the manger. The shepherds were there; also the three wise men were there offering their gifts. And a glittering star hovered over the crib of the baby Jesus. Oh, it was really a lavish display and must have cost a lot of money. But at Christmastime, money is no object to Weinberg and Goldstein’s Department Store when they honor Jesus, the Messiah. [Tape has been edited here, to edit out laughter...although you can still hear a few muffled chuckles when the speaker resumes speaking].
[Continuing with transcript...] In fact, they are very much indebted to Jesus. The religious customs surrounding Christmas and Easter are responsible for their store making great profits. Yes, without them they might even go bankrupt. So they probably agree with their mechanical window display Santa, every time he gives out with a lusty, ‘Ho, Ho, Ho.’"
This is near the beginning of a public talk given by Jehovah’s Witness Bill Fisher, entitled, "What Would Jesus Say About Christmas?" It is available several places online, and this quote starts at approximately 5:36 on the tape.
Do you feel like it’s just a harmless jab, or is it a hurtful comment?
Christians, I would appreciate your comments as well. Would this be an example of the "foolish talking" or "jesting" mentioned in Ephesians 5:4?
Thanks for your impressions so far. It made me angry when I heard it; particularly with the sarcastic tone the speaker used. But I’m a critic, so I wanted to get some other opinions to be sure it wasn’t just me being overly critical.
Following is a link to one site where this talk can be found:
http://www.jwbrothers.org/play_audio.php?audio=882&/
They did a better job of editing this one than the copy I have, but I’m sure it can be located through google.
This question has nothing to do with whether or not it’s appropriate to celebrate a particular holiday.
It concerns whether or not it is appropriate for one group of people who advertise themselves as "Christian" to make tasteless jokes about another group of people who have been the brunt of ridicule and hatred enough already–a group of people who are beloved for the sake of their fathers from God’s standpoint. (Rom. 11)
I know jw salesman, and store owners who certainly take advantage of the Christmas season. In fact many of these jw business men or women send greeting cards with some kind of innocuous ’season’s greetings’ or happy holiday’s all to squeak by the injunction against celebrating Christmas.
I have not listened to this talk by Fisher, but I can almost guarantee he is either a Circuit or District Overseer….those guys are the lord and masters of their realms of 10-25 congregations of jw. So they are rarely confronted or questioned about anything they say.
Edit: I wonder if those shepherds that witnessed this event in Luke 2:
"Shepherds Hear About Jesus
8 That night, some shepherds were in the fields nearby watching their sheep.9 Then an angel of the Lord stood before them. The glory of the Lord was shining around them, and they became very frightened.10 The angel said to them, "Do not be afraid. I am bringing you good news that will be a great joy to all the people.11 Today your Savior was born in the town of David. He is Christ, the Lord.12 This is how you will know him: You will find a baby wrapped in pieces of cloth and lying in a feeding box."
13 Then a very large group of angels from heaven joined the first angel, praising God and saying:
14 "Give glory to God in heaven,
and on earth let there be peace among the people who please God."[c]
Suppose they were made fun of for celebrating along with the angels of heaven??? I would guess many laughed and sneered at them as well.
It is a preposterous stand jw take on Christmas in light of the fact angels sang and celebrated, but the droll self righteous jw can’t even utter a word of song or praise to Christ birth.
From a pure biblical standpoint they have no leg to stand on. Just allot of hyperbola about nothing, pagan this, pagan that, heck half the stuff we do today has pagan origin, ask any jw if they wear wedding rings. Or display flowers gee it frustrating to deal with such blatant self righteousness